"Severian" wrote in message...

you actually have to be successful

But lack class, common sense, or have any comprehensible needs
that actually need to be filled by product... just the expendable money
that comes with "success". Very brilliant.

and have a sense of style and taste to want them.

In other words, be foolish enough to buy a salesman's line of ****,
let him/her convince you that your are actually hearing something
that you probably aren't, and be willing to boast to your friends that
you spent more money for nothing than they did. Yup, that "style"
all right... all the style of a pile of horse manure.

Moron.

Exactly.... a moron with money.

In article ,
StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:13:16 -0700, Jenn wrote:

In article ,
Severian wrote:

Laurence Payne wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:26:50 -0400, Severian wrote:

Errr...not to interrupt your ignorant rant, but the B&O speakers are
active, biamped speakers.

But I understand, B&O will be hard for people working at WalMart and
McDonalds to afford, you actually have to be successful and have a
sense
of style and taste to want them.

And do they sound good? The B&O systems I've come across have been
ovbiviously design-led (and I don't mean audio design:-). One has to
suspect they're idiosyncratic for the sake of it, not because an
engineer made a breakthrough that column speakers actually SOUNDED
better?

Most people never get to hear B&O in the proper listening environment.
The Beosound 8000's sound as good or better than audiophile approved
monitors costing as much or more when you count amps and stands. The
sense of depth, space, and air, and the midrange smoothness, are all as
good as I've heard. They image very much like planar speakers without
the room placement issues. I've had the opportunity to hear the Beolab
5's setup well, and they sound magnificent, bass is deep, tight, and non
boomy but goes low enough to untie your shoelaces. Yes, they are $20K a
pair, but that's not expensive by audiophile standards.

I think that just about every audiophile would consider $20k for a pair
of speakers to be "expensive".


No. There are idiots out there that build boxes, and actually want
"rich" retards to believe that they are carrying $125k worth of
engineering and transducer gold... per speaker.

There are dopey ****tards out there paying $27k for a pair of cables to
their "speakers".

Goddamned snake oil susceptible dip****s that buy illusions of quality
and performance.

I stand by my statement: JUST ABOUT every audiophile would consider
$20k for a pair of speakers to be "expensive".

StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:47:49 -0400, Severian wrote:

Most people never get to hear B&O in the proper listening environment.


Bwuahahahahahaahah!

Now, none of us qualify for that capacity either.

**** you, you absolute ****ing retard!

Nice to see you've hit your proper level of eloquence. You kiss your
mother with that mouth?

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:38:50 +0100, Laurence Payne
wrote:

And do they sound good? The B&O systems I've come across have been
ovbiviously design-led (and I don't mean audio design:-). One has to
suspect they're idiosyncratic for the sake of it, not because an
engineer made a breakthrough that column speakers actually SOUNDED
better?


Oh right. I've just had a look at the brochure. This is HEAVY
"lifestyle" stuff :-) And those powered speakers have "2500 watts of
digital amplification". At least you wouldn't need central heating as
well.

Yumm, "digital amplification", the best kind. ;-)

David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
"Severian" wrote in message...

you actually have to be successful

But lack class, common sense, or have any comprehensible needs
that actually need to be filled by product... just the expendable money
that comes with "success". Very brilliant.

and have a sense of style and taste to want them.

In other words, be foolish enough to buy a salesman's line of ****,
let him/her convince you that your are actually hearing something
that you probably aren't, and be willing to boast to your friends that
you spent more money for nothing than they did. Yup, that "style"
all right... all the style of a pile of horse manure.

Moron.

Exactly.... a moron with money.

Hey, I understand the whole wealth and taste envy thing...you little
people seem to revel in it. But hey, particleboard is great eh??

Jenn wrote:
In article ,
Severian wrote:

Laurence Payne wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:26:50 -0400, Severian wrote:

Errr...not to interrupt your ignorant rant, but the B&O speakers are
active, biamped speakers.

But I understand, B&O will be hard for people working at WalMart and
McDonalds to afford, you actually have to be successful and have a sense
of style and taste to want them.
And do they sound good? The B&O systems I've come across have been
ovbiviously design-led (and I don't mean audio design:-). One has to
suspect they're idiosyncratic for the sake of it, not because an
engineer made a breakthrough that column speakers actually SOUNDED
better?
Most people never get to hear B&O in the proper listening environment.
The Beosound 8000's sound as good or better than audiophile approved
monitors costing as much or more when you count amps and stands. The
sense of depth, space, and air, and the midrange smoothness, are all as
good as I've heard. They image very much like planar speakers without
the room placement issues. I've had the opportunity to hear the Beolab
5's setup well, and they sound magnificent, bass is deep, tight, and non
boomy but goes low enough to untie your shoelaces. Yes, they are $20K a
pair, but that's not expensive by audiophile standards.

I think that just about every audiophile would consider $20k for a pair
of speakers to be "expensive".

I've heard ones a lot pricier, and I'm sure you have too. Wilson Audio
comes to mind, as does Genesis, Martin Logan, etc. Add the price of the
amps and cables and such and you can hit astronomical levels pretty
quickly.

I paid a bit over $2k for my Beolab 8000's. I know a lot of people
who've spent that much or more on smallish monitors and stands, not
counting amps and not gotten better sound. If you want to play the
biamp/active xover game, it can hit much higher than that pretty quickly
with decent electronics.

I never said they weren't expensive, but they fill a unique niche.
Unfortunately most people who do buy them won't set them up properly and
couldn't care less about serious listening. B&O does know acoustics and
speaker design quite well, if you're willing to put as much care into
positioning and such as you would with other brands.

StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:49:38 -0400, Severian wrote:

Laurence Payne wrote:
And do they sound good? The B&O systems I've come across have been
ovbiviously design-led (and I don't mean audio design:-). One has to
suspect they're idiosyncratic for the sake of it, not because an
engineer made a breakthrough that column speakers actually SOUNDED
better?

Oh right. I've just had a look at the brochure. This is HEAVY
"lifestyle" stuff :-) And those powered speakers have "2500 watts of
digital amplification". At least you wouldn't need central heating as
well.
They use highly efficient digital switching amps, and run very cool.
Unlike the overkill Class A amps that will heat your house for a 250
w/ch amp. Or even better, I had a Pass Zen single ended MOSFET amps,
that dissipated something like 300 watts for a 7 watt per channel amp.


You sound like a brainless twit. Mainly for buying such an inefficient
POS.

I didn't buy it, I built it from scratch, from one of Pass's articles.
One of those things intelligent and well educated people techies do for
fun. Was interesting, good experiment in single ended topology, and I
sold it for more than it cost me. Finding big enough heat sinks was a
challenge though.

But I understand your frustration, it must be tough when an iPod is the
most complex thing you know how to operate.

But thanks for playing...I'm sure your mother must be very proud. If you
could find your father he might be too.

Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:54:52 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
wrote:

B&O is like Bose. Way too ****ing much for way too ****ing little, and
the engineering is pretty ****ing retarded as well.

As I read this thread, I was thinking exactly the same thing.


Unlike Bose, B&O actually sounds good. B&O owns the largest anechoic
chamber in Europe, they do understand acoustics. Bose understands
marketing.

People who call B&O's engineering retarded are usually idiots who
couldn't tell good engineering from bad.

"Laurence Payne" wrote...
Severian wrote:
Errr...not to interrupt your ignorant rant, but the B&O speakers are
active, biamped speakers.

But I understand, B&O will be hard for people working at WalMart and
McDonalds to afford, you actually have to be successful and have a sense
of style and taste to want them.

And do they sound good? The B&O systems I've come across have been
ovbiviously design-led (and I don't mean audio design:-). One has to
suspect they're idiosyncratic for the sake of it, not because an
engineer made a breakthrough that column speakers actually SOUNDED
better?

Rather sounds like the European version of Bose.

Richard Crowley wrote:
"Laurence Payne" wrote...
Severian wrote:
Errr...not to interrupt your ignorant rant, but the B&O speakers are
active, biamped speakers.

But I understand, B&O will be hard for people working at WalMart and
McDonalds to afford, you actually have to be successful and have a sense
of style and taste to want them.
And do they sound good? The B&O systems I've come across have been
ovbiviously design-led (and I don't mean audio design:-). One has to
suspect they're idiosyncratic for the sake of it, not because an
engineer made a breakthrough that column speakers actually SOUNDED
better?

Rather sounds like the European version of Bose.



Nah, B&O doesn't understand marketing nearly as well as Bose, and it
shows (pardon the rhyme). They're like Proton, used to make some
outstanding TVs and good electronics, including the best table radio
I've ever heard. Couldn't market their way out of a wet paper bag and
failed in the US market.

B&O fills a specific niche, for people for whom design is important but
who don't want to hide equipment in a cabinet. Their electronics work
well, and their speakers sound good to great. But they aren't for
everyone, nor do they try to be.

Bose has some serious acoustic issues and poor construction and cheap
drivers. B&O doesn't share that problem, but like Proton isn't the best
at marketing their product. B&O does understand acoustics and human
hearing quite well. So does Amar Bose, you may disagree with his
marketing and focus (I don't agree) but he is a sharp acoustician. He's
figured out that most mass market people want a better sounding table
radio rather than a high end system, and gives them that,
psychoacoustics of a permanent loudness contour and all, but he's
successful at doing it. Don't like his gear, but Bose gives people a
product they want and makes money at it, we all should be so lucky.

For me, I finally got tired of boxes but still wanted good sound. Design
and such became important to me, and I was tired of box speakers and
built in cabinets to try and pretty up gear. I was willing to pay the
extra price to get a combination of design and sound, not everyone will
be nor should be. That's the beauty of the market, different products
for different needs.

B&O goes great with modern and Bauhaus furnishings. Not so good with
Early American pine furniture.

But the ignorant will always rant and rave about things they don't
understand, rather than accept that different people have different
tastes and desires. I always thought B&O was good, but until a certain
point never felt the extra money for design was worth it. Obviously that
changed, both as my tastes changed, and as my income changed. Heck, in
my graduate days I used to hold up my speakers with milk crates, and
later two bowls from a discarded cloud chamber in the undergrad atomic
physics lab. I no longer have to live with cardboard furniture, and don't.

The original poster needed info, hopefully he got his question answered.
B&O is a bit hard to get to play with other systems, but you can do it
with a bit of work.