Laurence Payne wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:14:18 -0400, Severian wrote:

No, they use DIN connectors because they are a European company, and for
the same reasons companies like Tandberg and Revox and Armstrong and
Naim use them, they are the standard in Europe, and they allow for a
compact, single connector/single wire bundle approach. They have many
advantages over the traditional US RCA connector, and the US is not the
primary market for any of the aforementioned companies.

Well, if you say so. But Britain's in Europe, and I haven't seen a
DIN plug on any new equipment (except for MIDI) for 20 years.

I think Naim still uses them, Quad used to as well but I've not seen a
Quad dealer for over a decade on this side of the pond, same for Naim so
they may have changed, depends on how big they think their US market is.
Not sure about Meridian, I think they moved to an all digital approach
some time ago.

Many companies have moved towards the RCA or both. Back a few years ago
I know Revox and Tandberg had DIN.

I've always liked the DIN approach for a variety of reasons, not least
of which was simplified wiring behind the units. When it took only one
cable to hook up a tape deck as opposed to 4 RCA cables, I viewed this
as a significant improvement.

Back in the day when I used to work at a "high end" salon that sold
Tandberg, Revox, etc. I used to sell a lot of adapters. I know they are
still around, but Armstrong has been gone for a while.

R. Mark Clayton wrote:
"Severian" wrote in message
R. Mark Clayton wrote:
"Severian" wrote in message


Other parts of this thread talked about "5 pin Beolink", which defintiely
sounds proprietary, even if they do use DIN connectors.

B&O have their own, proprietary connector topology for reasons they
obviously think are valid.

Get real. They have proprietary connections for the same reason Apple do -
to tie you to their designs, charge $$$ for simple things (like connections)
and make high, high high profits.

Actually, they aren't proprietary at all. Back in the seventies they were
extremely common and used by pretty much all of the European stereo
manufacturers. If anything, B&O is the last hanger-on of a formerly popular
standard.
--scott

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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
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R. Mark Clayton wrote:
"Severian" wrote in message
R. Mark Clayton wrote:
"Severian" wrote in message


Other parts of this thread talked about "5 pin Beolink", which
defintiely
sounds proprietary, even if they do use DIN connectors.

B&O have their own, proprietary connector topology for reasons they
obviously think are valid.

Get real. They have proprietary connections for the same reason Apple
do -
to tie you to their designs, charge $$$ for simple things (like
connections)
and make high, high high profits.

Actually, they aren't proprietary at all. Back in the seventies they were
extremely common and used by pretty much all of the European stereo
manufacturers. If anything, B&O is the last hanger-on of a formerly
popular
standard.
--scott

Yes they used DIN plugs, but not standard pin out. Accidentally plug it
into anything else and lots of volts would kill it.

"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:14:18 -0400, Severian wrote:

No, they use DIN connectors because they are a European company, and for
the same reasons companies like Tandberg and Revox and Armstrong and
Naim use them, they are the standard in Europe, and they allow for a
compact, single connector/single wire bundle approach. They have many
advantages over the traditional US RCA connector, and the US is not the
primary market for any of the aforementioned companies.

Well, if you say so. But Britain's in Europe, and I haven't seen a
DIN plug on any new equipment (except for MIDI) for 20 years.

Not looking very hard - mini din (hosedin) is used for S-Video, ATX keyboard
and mouse connections and DIN for AT keyboard connections.

OTOH DIN for sound has pretty much disappeared.

Interestingly Apple used mini DIN for some interface or another, precisely
because they would be difficult to source (or even identify) in the USA, but
could be bought in cheap.

R. Mark Clayton wrote:
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
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R. Mark Clayton wrote:
"Severian" wrote in message
R. Mark Clayton wrote:
"Severian" wrote in message
Other parts of this thread talked about "5 pin Beolink", which
defintiely
sounds proprietary, even if they do use DIN connectors.
B&O have their own, proprietary connector topology for reasons they
obviously think are valid.
Get real. They have proprietary connections for the same reason Apple
do -
to tie you to their designs, charge $$$ for simple things (like
connections)
and make high, high high profits.
Actually, they aren't proprietary at all. Back in the seventies they were
extremely common and used by pretty much all of the European stereo
manufacturers. If anything, B&O is the last hanger-on of a formerly
popular
standard.
--scott

Yes they used DIN plugs, but not standard pin out. Accidentally plug it
into anything else and lots of volts would kill it.



I believe that B&O's DIN plugs for signal transfer, say between a CD
player and a receiver or tape deck, are pretty standard and follow the
same approach everyone else does, or did. Their Beolink stuff that
connects to powered speakers is probably unique, but I'm not sure it's
really different than between a preamp and power amp in an old Naim or
similar setup.

As to why they hang on, think about their core market. While their gear
does perform as well or better than mass market stuff, their primary
audience/customer is the type who wants simplicity in setup, and their
connectors serve that purpose well. And they offer numerous other
converters and interface boxes to integrate with more "normal" equipment.

If you guys are going to be civil,
I'm not going to follow this thread anymore!

Chip

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wrote:
If you guys are going to be civil,
I'm not going to follow this thread anymore!

Chip


ROFL!!!

Up yours, hippie!

That better?

Just wait, eventually the trekie troll will wake up from his drug
induced coma and let fly in a spasm of usenet tourette's syndrome.

Severian wrote:
wrote:
If you guys are going to be civil,
I'm not going to follow this thread anymore!

Chip


ROFL!!!

Up yours, hippie!

That better?

Just wait, eventually the trekie troll will wake up from his drug
induced coma and let fly in a spasm of usenet tourette's syndrome.

I used to be a hippie, but I can't find my hair!

Chip

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wrote:
Severian wrote:
wrote:
If you guys are going to be civil,
I'm not going to follow this thread anymore!

Chip

ROFL!!!

Up yours, hippie!

That better?

Just wait, eventually the trekie troll will wake up from his drug
induced coma and let fly in a spasm of usenet tourette's syndrome.

I used to be a hippie, but I can't find my hair!

Chip


I can relate, I'm having that problem more and more. Must be a plot by
The Man...

"Do I really need to say?" wrote in message
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:23:35 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
wrote:

The problem is getting the power to the speakers. Power over Ethernet is
not up to delivering the amount of energy required, so each speaker would
require a discrete [mains] PSU - not very elegant.


The only way to do it would be to place a battery pack in or behind each
speaker, and use the PoE to trickle charge the thing between uses.

Or solar panels?


Also not all that elegant, but it would work, considering that most
folks would not tax the battery pack too much, so the PoE might work.
Still a pretty stupid idea. Wireless power to charge the battery would
be better/more elegant. More radio wave bouncing around as well.

Unfortunately it would also cook the listeners...

Audiofile: - My new wireless stereo has seven by one hundred watt channels.
Cynic: - why my microwave oven is 700W too, but it only goes "ting!".